Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby Tincup » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:54 pm

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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby Plumster » Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:59 pm

That's fine, Tincup, I respect that. It was a question and not meant as a critique.
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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby Jmac » Sat Aug 17, 2019 8:03 am

Plumster wrote:I am also plant-based and it's worth remembering that choline is in a lot of other things besides eggs (is the egg industry behind this?? Chris Masterjohn does take money from industries, like the meat industry). I understand that choline is very high in eggs, but it's also in tofu, quinoa, broccoli, etc. I recommend looking at a choline food lists online. I found a great list and I'll post it here if I can find it again. I do supplement with PC to make sure I'm getting enough.

Edit: Here's the list: https://vegfaqs.com/vegan-food-sources-choline/


Thanks --- I had looked up more sources, am big on trying to eat broccoli every day and other things. But I'm still opting to add a supplement as you did just to be on the safe side as I will never eat eggs, meat, chicken, cheese, etc. I am still delving into the gene report (my mom has cognitive issues so she's taking a lot of m energy...but as I'm researching for her am learning a lot for myself). I also have genes that say I have issues with B12 and genes that indicate I have issues utilizing some things.

I'm not stopping my plant-based diet completely, and won't, but have added wild-caught salmon to the mix once or twice a week after a long internal struggle (guess that now makes me a pescetarian). My thought process was that if I couldn't get something in my plant-based diet that I needed then I needed to consider whether it really WAS the perfect diet for my body, especially given my genetic makeup. I was and am supplementing with B12 and algae-based "fish" oil <g>, but learned that to really work best the fish oil needed to come in the whole package. I'm still learning, studying and finding out new things every day, so may figure out a way to ditch the salmon on my ongoing dietary/health journey.

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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby DebbieG » Sat Aug 17, 2019 6:07 pm

Thanks, Julie G. I'm an 8. I knew I wasn't managing methylation correctly, but now I know how badly I'm doing. And I have some better direction on what I should do.

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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby PeterM » Sun Aug 18, 2019 1:16 pm

Maybe something to keep in mind on this ‘equivalent egg yolk’ issue: For those who are, say, 110-120 lbs and are getting an 8 egg yolk equivalent recommendation on the Masterjohn calculator, perhaps 6 yolks would be a closer equivalent. As with so many standard measures I’m guessing an average size 160 lb man is the control. Maybe I’m simply stating the obvious here. Or maybe I’m wrong. Feel free to tweak.

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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby maddanwill » Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:23 am

My Recode Report from AHNP recommends 500 mg of Citicoline 2x day to equal 1 g/day. My calc from the Masterjohn says I need 7 yolks which is 952 mg per day. So I am good right? Maybe not. The problem is that according to Consumer Lab Citicoline is only 21% choline! So my 1 g of citicoline is only 210 mg of actual choline. Add in my 2-3 eggs per day and I am still short by about 400 mg. Thanks for this topic, it uncovered a deficiency for me that I was unaware of.

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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby barbS » Thu Aug 29, 2019 5:21 pm

maddanwill wrote:My Recode Report from AHNP recommends 500 mg of Citicoline 2x day to equal 1 g/day. My calc from the Masterjohn says I need 7 yolks which is 952 mg per day. So I am good right? Maybe not. The problem is that according to Consumer Lab Citicoline is only 21% choline! So my 1 g of citicoline is only 210 mg of actual choline. Add in my 2-3 eggs per day and I am still short by about 400 mg. Thanks for this topic, it uncovered a deficiency for me that I was unaware of.



My CDP choline is 300 mg per capsule, which is probably even lower in actual choline! Then you wonder, how much of any amount is absorbed, used, or destroyed by stomach acids, ( or amount after cooking eggs for choline at high temps).

I tend to overthink the little things alot. ( I am a 7 egg a day-er too)
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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby khooks03 » Sun Sep 08, 2019 4:48 pm

Ok. I've tried to read through your posts on this topic they make no sense to me. I'm not uneducated but I'm also not a scientist. Can you put this into plain English for the rest of us? Does current research indicate that we APOE 4/4s should be eating whole eggs daily? Yes or no.

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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby Plumster » Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:02 pm

Ok. I've tried to read through your posts on this topic they make no sense to me. I'm not uneducated but I'm also not a scientist. Can you put this into plain English for the rest of us? Does current research indicate that we APOE 4/4s should be eating whole eggs daily? Yes or no.


It's contested. :(
Many here, including Dr. Bredesen, believe that eggs are good for us e4s.
Some of us here, me included, believe that saturated fat and cholesterol (yes, even from eggs) are not good for us. I believe the egg industry is working hard to get their message out. They are behind many prior egg studies. I will be getting choline from plant based sources, especially roasted soy nuts (good source of choline), legumes, cruciferous vegetables, etc.
You will have to make your own decision. Sorry.

Here's a NIH fact sheet on choline:
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Choli ... fessional/
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Re: Higher phosphatidylcholine protects against dementia

Postby swanlzs » Thu Sep 12, 2019 5:45 pm

Plumster wrote:
Ok. I've tried to read through your posts on this topic they make no sense to me. I'm not uneducated but I'm also not a scientist. Can you put this into plain English for the rest of us? Does current research indicate that we APOE 4/4s should be eating whole eggs daily? Yes or no.


It's contested. :(
Many here, including Dr. Bredesen, believe that eggs are good for us e4s.
Some of us here, me included, believe that saturated fat and cholesterol (yes, even from eggs) are not good for us. I believe the egg industry is working hard to get their message out. They are behind many prior egg studies. I will be getting choline from plant based sources, especially roasted soy nuts (good source of choline), legumes, cruciferous vegetables, etc.
You will have to make your own decision. Sorry.

Here's a NIH fact sheet on choline:
https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Choli ... fessional/


I wish I liked eggs - I grew up on a farm where we had cattle, raised laying hens (20,000) and I spent my days after school gathering eggs. I think they are good based on reading, but even tho' I'm a 7 egger-day by masterjohn, I could NEVER eat that many - maybe 2/week as scrambled eggs :-(. Thanks for all the comments. I loved the ? about eggs!!
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