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Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Mon Aug 12, 2019 10:52 pm
by thjj
Most people don't realize that the more your search on google, the more they're collecting info from you & selling it for free. As such, I've rarely used it for several years now, & go to wikipedia if I just need straight facts and a couple of months ago started using duckduckgo from a recommendation from a scholar on booktv.

BTW, apoe4.info comes up on page 6 on google for me as well.

Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:51 am
by TheresaB
thjj wrote:go to wikipedia if I just need straight facts


I'm leery of Wikipedia. It can be edited by anyone and many organizations with deep pockets and agendas edit Wikipedia.

Take for one example Monsanto, now owned by Bayer, in the findings of the glyphosate lawsuit. The jury awarded that huge sum, not because the person was dying of cancer caused by the glyphosate, but because of all their systematic bad behavior, misinformation and outright lying machine.

Even research papers can't be trusted. Remember last year when dozens of papers from that Harvard heart researcher were found to have been falsified and/or fabricated data.

And in more news in protesting "big brother" today Dr Mercola announced he is withdrawing from Facebook in part because they promote ads with misinfomation, anything that doesn't parrot the drug industry's propaganda. https://articles.mercola.com/sites/arti ... ebook.aspx

Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:16 pm
by MarcR
TheresaB wrote:many organizations with deep pockets and agendas edit Wikipedia. Take for one example Monsanto
Can you be specific? To which Monsanto-edited article(s) are you referring?

Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 4:18 pm
by Sara
This is the final straw for me. I just changed over to DuckDuckGo. TheresaB I don't think you are a tinfoil hat conspiracist at all!

Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:10 pm
by TheresaB
MarcR wrote:Can you be specific?


Here are examples about manipulating Wikipedia

Facebook, Axios And NBC Paid This Guy To Whitewash Wikipedia Pages

The North Face Comes Under Fire For Manipulating Wikipedia Pages For Marketing

Manipulating Wikipedia to Promote a Bogus Business School

Mike Winder accused of manipulating Wikipedia page with multiple accounts in violation of ethics policy

And regarding Monsanto, there’s this article and quotes from the article One man's suffering exposed Monsanto's secrets to the world

The company [Monsanto] has employed a range of tactics – some drawn from the same playbook used by the tobacco industry in defending the safety of cigarettes – to suppress and manipulate scientific literature, harass journalists and scientists who did not parrot the company’s propaganda, and arm-twist and collude with regulators.


The company often pushed its version of science into the public realm through ghostwritten work that was designed to appear independent and thus more credible.

Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:31 pm
by MarcR
So you are aware of no examples of Monsanto modifying Wikipedia pages in dishonest and self-serving fashion? Recall that you said this:
I'm leery of Wikipedia. It can be edited by anyone and many organizations with deep pockets and agendas edit Wikipedia. Take for one example Monsanto
With respect to the Axios example, it's instructive to visit the Axios Wikipedia page, which currently includes this section discussing the incident transparently.

And while the HuffPost article emphasizes the Axios consultant's success in prompting changes to the Axios article, I have a different take. As I read the article, I was impressed by the substantial safeguards built into the Wikipedia editorial structure. The many examples of the consultant's "success" didn't include anything more than subtle shades of interpretation. The description of the tortuous process required for such minor adjustments left me even more confident in Wikipedia's credibility.

As for me, I'm skeptical ("leery"?) of every source, but I would single out Wikipedia as one of the more credible sources of information in the world today.

Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:00 pm
by floramaria
My results searching ApoE4
DuckDuckGo: ApoE4.Info is first
Google: ApoE4.Info is halfway down the SIXTH page!
Bing: ApoE4,Info 4th post (just after Wikipedia)

Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:09 pm
by mike
If you search Google, and confine to last 24 hours, ApoE4.Info is first...

Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Sun Aug 18, 2019 10:01 pm
by thjj
Ironically, apoe4.info comes up second on duckduckgo, just after Wikipedia.

Re: Google as Big Brother?

Posted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 12:34 am
by thjj
thjj wrote:Ironically, apoe4.info comes up second on duckduckgo, just after Wikipedia.

bing is the same result as above.
(btw, I just checked duckduckgo again, & apoe4 is now #1 :)