circular wrote:Just scanning this thread a bit and noting correspondence with some of my current thinking vis whey protein to counter catabolic/inflammatory states and reduced muscle strength. Trying not to hijack thread too far in that direction, but there appears to be overlap with the protein/immunoglobulin/gut integrity axis. I haven't had a chance to carefully read this whole thread, so apologies if whey has already been discussed.
I've been drawn to try whey protein for some time. I wanted to diversify my protein while maximizing benefits of resistance training, but the benefits may go beyond that? I think whey isolate is supposed to have less casein (lectin) than powder. I had a reaction using the powder that was consistent with my reactions to every other product containing casein, whether A1 or A2.
What caught my eye here is mention of low IgG which Juliegee mentioned having. I haven't had time to look at the interesting article about leaky gut = biome wonkiness + immune dysfunction. But just to note that a serving of Bluebonnet whey protein isolate delivers 520 mg of IgG. ([url]=https://www.altprotein.com/the-best-grass-fed-protein-supplements-to-consider/]It seems this brand may have higher levels than others?[/url]) I'm not sure if exogenous IgG is helpful?
I don't have time for the general rabbit hole as to whether whey protein is good for gut health or not. A number of sites talk about whey protein being good for gut health but there are detractors. Anyone looking at that avenue should compare denatured whey protein to non-denatured whey protein.
Possible downside is it's supposed to spike insulin, but building muscle should increase insulin sensitivity and I'm wondering if that would be enough to offset the insulin spikes, clearing it fast enough for it not to stay around and do damage, especially when insulin is otherwise kept low by diet and exercise.
I'm thinking about using the whey protein, if I don't react, in the context of a cyclical ketogenic diet, doing higher carbs and whey around more strenuous workouts and keto during rest days/hours, that would include the long night fast.
[url]=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26566405]This paper[/url]suggests eating 25-30 gms high quality protein three times a day to counteract muscle breakdown. I think this must have to do with apparently all proteins but whey are *slow acting* and help prevent muscle breakdown. Frequent moderate doses may help keep a steady supply of amino acids going so muscles don't get a chance to break down. Whey, being a *fast protein*, stimulates muscle growth/repair by spiking the available amino acids after a workout. One site, not by a professional, suggesting both slow and fast proteins are ideal for muscle health.
I think a number of us have histories of gut issues + inflammatory conditions + compromised muscle integrity, at least at different times in life. It may be that we need to be much more creative, dynamic and versatile about eating/diet regimens, with a focus on stopping catabolic processes first.
I'll be interested if anyone has looked closely at whey and gut health.
I've used whey a bunch. A long time ago, I did a food allergy panel, where whey came back as having a mildly allergic reaction -- I'd be curious to read more about whether this is from the immune-boosting components in whey (and thus a positive thing?) or if this is a potential issue for inflammation / gut health and something I'm borderline allergic to and should avoid. Treenuts showed a similar result in my food allergy panel at the time -- this could also be a false positive. Dave Asprey sells a whey protein + colostrum powder, but recommends using it at low dosages
to avoid gut / inflammation issues.
I've used Jay Robb's WPI, NutraBio's WPI, Asprey's Upgraded Whey, Goat Whey, Goat Milk Protein, and Well Wisdom's WPC. I find when mixed with food as a smoothie or tossed over frozen berries, whey protein (both isolate + concentrate) uniquely gives me some bad gas... up there with cauliflower. The combination of a whey protein + veg shake and a side of steamed cauliflower is just ridiculous
As such, I generally mix it with a little bit of water + salt + cacao + vanilla + stevia, or have it with a nut milk away from food in the post-workout window. I haven't made up my mind on whether it makes more sense to go with an isolate (and remove potentially oxidized fats + cholesterol through a rough process, which might further oxidize what remains), or to go with a concentrate and get a less refined product.
Lately, I've been reading some interesting things about camel milk wrt gut health + immune function, but haven't stumbled across it in my local grocery stores.
Personally, I might go with something like L-Glutamine + NAC + bone broth for gut health over whey.
This was an interesting article on the amount of protein the body can use in a single meal:http://atlargenutrition.com/is-there-a- ... ngle-meal/
From the leangains website: "One of my clients, showing symptoms of profound catabolism by impaired protein absorption and daily 16 hour periods of fasting" (pic)
I'm currently playing around with a sort of low carb + MCT supplemented diet, cycled with periods of higher carb / lower fat eating. I'm using EAAs / BCAAs intra-workout, and have currently ditched the whey for meat + eggs + seafood with a higher intake of glycine + methyl donors for supporting methionine metabolism. This certainly increases muscle mass in place of fat mass, but I can't quite make up my mind whether this is working for my larger health goals or against them. Ymmv.