How much olive oil is too much?

[Sandy57]

Anne
If you follow Julie's link, it brings you to the Berkeley store. You need Julie to give you Nates' phone number which is at a different store. Berkeley does not take the code, only Nate does. I just ordered 6 bottles of various items. Nate will also do flat rate boxes if you ask. To ship two boxes to Hawaii it cost me less than 30 dollars.

Frank

[Julie G]

Nice to see you posting, Frank . Here's the phone number for Amphora Nueva in Berkley: (925) 310-468. Nate Bradley, the manager, or any of his colleagues can help.

[Plumster]

As long as you eat vinegar with your olive oil, it looks like things may balance out a bit? If you are worried about your arteries:

Syoji SAKAKIBARA, Ryuichiro MURAKAMI, Mikio TAKAHASHI, Takashi
FUSHIMI, Toyoaki MUROHARA, Mikiya KISHI, Yoshitaka KAJIMOTO, Masafumi KITAKAZE &
Takayuki KAGA (2010) Vinegar Intake Enhances Flow-Mediated Vasodilatation via Upregulation
of Endothelial Nitric Oxide Synthase Activity, Bioscience, Biotechnology, and Biochemistry, 74:5,
1055-1061, DOI: 10.1271/bbb.90953
To link to this article: https://doi.org/10.1271/bbb.90953
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10. ... ccess=true

[marthaNH]

As long as you eat vinegar with your olive oil, it looks like things may balance out a bit? If you are worried about your arteries:
To link to this article: https://doi.org/10.1271/bbb.90953
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10. ... ccess=true

And a practical suggestion: I increased both my total vegetables and my vinegar intake by making a habit of keeping a tub of sliced sweet bell peppers in vinegar on the top shelf of my refrigerator. I put just a couple inches of vinegar in the bottom, pick it up and turn it upside down from time to time, and add fresh veggies until I decide to finish it off and start over. I add olive oil separately, but no reason not to put it in there, too.

For me, a slice of red or orange sweet pepper soaked in vinegar satisfies my sweet tooth. Sometimes I put some artichoke hearts in there, scallions, fresh mushrooms, and steamed green beans or asparagus. It makes it easy to throw together a salad, too. Cooked and cooled potatoes (if you do that) work too if they aren't too "done".

I often get the "I just have to eat something" feeling when I am working at home, and this helps keep me on track with my goals.

[Tincup]

Also, by Esselstyn's logic, wouldn't the same effect be seen by eating tons of avocados and olives?
I wonder if those long term studies he's talking about apply to good quality EVOO
EDIT: Looks like he's also against avocados basically he hates keto diets

Esselstyn and his very low fat colleagues advocate a diet that is about 10% fat calories. I ate this way for many years. I was very fit, but ended up with insulin resistance. I purchased my first glucometer in 2006 so I could do my own an oral glucose tolerance test. I wasn't happy with my results. Later, I found the work of Dr. Joseph Kraft (interview here). In retrospect, i had hyperinsulinemia. In my read of the data, hyperinsulinemia is likely the root cause of CVD. I started testing my blood sugar an hour after I ate. I could not eat per Ornish or Esselstyn and not have a big glucose spike. In Ornish's 1990 book, I recall he noted that people on his diet usually ended up with low HDL and high triglycerides (TG), but he discounted the significance of this. I tend to discount the significance of most of the standard cholesterol test, however one metric that is powerful, IMO, is TG/HDL with a ratio <1 being idea. The very low fat diet won't get you there, in most cases.

[circular]

Anne
If you follow Julie's link, it brings you to the Berkeley store. You need Julie to give you Nates' phone number which is at a different store. Berkeley does not take the code, only Nate does. I just ordered 6 bottles of various items. Nate will also do flat rate boxes if you ask. To ship two boxes to Hawaii it cost me less than 30 dollars.

Frank

Yea! Frank's back!

I've gotten discounts from various people at the phone number Julie gave.

[marthaNH]

Nate Bradley (Owner) Lafayette
Nate@Amphoranueva.com
(925) 310 4681
7 Fiesta Lane Lafayette Ca. 94549

They still had "the nice Spanish Hoji" with the 500+ polyphenol score when I ordered a case today! Can't wait to get it. Nate wasn't there but the woman who took my order could not have been friendlier or more knowledgeable and helpful. Six 750 ml bottles (one case) plus $15 shipping came to $123. I'm happy with knowing I'm getting the right thing for once, and appreciate Julie's wide-ranging research and expertise!

[ru442]

Nate Bradley (Owner) Lafayette
Nate@Amphoranueva.com
(925) 310 4681
7 Fiesta Lane Lafayette Ca. 94549

They still had "the nice Spanish Hoji" with the 500+ polyphenol score when I ordered a case today! Can't wait to get it. Nate wasn't there but the woman who took my order could not have been friendlier or more knowledgeable and helpful. Six 750 ml bottles (one case) plus $15 shipping came to $123. I'm happy with knowing I'm getting the right thing for once, and appreciate Julie's wide-ranging research and expertise!

Was it t Sharon? Just ordered additional balsamic from her today

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[marthaNH]

Yes. Sharon.

[Verax]

Dr Gundry recommends 10-12tbsp/d of the extra virgin olive oil he sells from his website. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awm2vwXrTH0 He doesn't cite any scientific evidence for that prescription, although he does cite some papers on EVOO elsewhere about other benefits of his EVOO.

That much (10-12tbsp) EVOO converts to 240ml, about one cup, and would constitute almost 2,000 calories, equal to the total calories recommended for an adult male per day. How much olive oil is too much? If your memory fails, it wasn't enough? What about if you try a low carb, low fat diet but gain weight?

http://www.minddietideas.com/enough-olive-oil/ discusses the same puzzles in figuring out how much EVOO to consume on the MIND diet. The end result is attempting to ingest 1 tbsp/d.

The PREDIMED clinical trial (prospective but not blinded) gave a liter of EVOO to a family per week, so each family member was estimated to consume less than 50g/d. https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa1200303
In a clarification, the study design became using EVOO as "main culinary fat" (cooking as well as neat) in the family plus 4tbsp or more.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21172932
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23670794

Fifty grams or 3-4tbsp EVOO is still far higher than an average intake in Mediterranean nations, yet that diet supposedly prevents CVD. De Lorenzo, A., Alberti, A., Andreoli, A., Iacopino, L. et al.,Diabetes Nutr. Metab. 2001, 14, 121 – 125 The EU labeling standards for EVOO claims do not specify daily requirements, as they note that the polyphenols alleged to be responsible for health benefits vary. Various Mediterranean diet papers in various Mediterranean countries tout their own varieties. Dr Gundry's are from Morrocco and I believe not subject to EU standards.

In a letter to the Editor of Molecular Nutrition and Food Research,
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf ... .200690002 ,
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... nd_reality , Vincenzo Fogliano and Raffaele Sacchi of University of Naples, Agro Food Science Group, discuss the dangers of prescribing EVOO on the basis of separate isolated ingredients such as oleocanthal. Food as medicine should be considered as a whole as not only one phenol but all compounds present might have a synergistic effect. Likewise, I should say the test is ultimate human mortality and morbidity, not an extrapolation from a simple test of polyphenol content percentage.

As Fogliano and Sacchi write, "The maximum concentration of olive oil phenols achievable in plasma cannot prevent LDL damage; in fact, in vivo human studies do not reveal any protective effects of olive oil phenols on LDL oxidisability." Vissers, M. N., Zock, P. L., Katan, M. B., Eur. J. Clin. Nutr.2004, 58, 955 – 965.

Oleocanthal in olive oil: Between myth... (PDF Download Available). Available from: https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... nd_reality [accessed May 19 2018].