Welcome, george05,george05 wrote:I followed Caldwell Esselstyn's diet to the letter for 3 years. My heart disease tripled. He is not concerned with triglycerides. Mine where sky high on his diet (spoke to him on the phone many times about this). I am pretty convinced that the high trigs caused my plaques to increase rapidly, even in the absence of any fats in my diet. I am Apoe 3/4.
Not exactly. It was my heart calcium score that tripled on the Esselstyn diet. It started at a 600 and increased to over 1800 while being vegan with no oils. The triglycerides remained in the upper 200’s to 300’s during that time. My triglycerides are now under 50 with no grains and niacin.
Julie G wrote: Also, given your results, to what do you owe the presumed success of Esselstyn and others, like Ornish? Do you think that they’re just not checking the correct biomarkers?
Tincup wrote:Julie G wrote: Also, given your results, to what do you owe the presumed success of Esselstyn and others, like Ornish? Do you think that they’re just not checking the correct biomarkers?
I followed Ornish's program from 1990 to about 2007. I have his book, but Tg & HDL aren't in the index and I can't find them on a quick look through the book. I recall from reading nearly 30 years ago that he noted that HDL was low on his program and Tg's increased.
Julie G wrote: I recall his justification for HDL was that pharmaceutically raising it didn't protect against heart disease, so what's the point? IMHO, that's a pretty weak argument with the body of evidence demonstrating that high functional non-pharmaceutically induced HDL is protective.
My understanding is that there are some cases where high natural HDL is not high functional. I think there are some advanced lipid tests that can look for this, but I haven't paid attention to the specifics as I'm not in that category (high HDL). May have been in an Attia podcast, either Dayspring or Weiss, don't remember exactly.
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