Overmethylation and Heart Health

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Overmethylation and Heart Health

Postby Rainbow » Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:23 pm

Due to my wacky genes, I currently take a bunch of supplements for methylation (methyl folate, B12, P5P, creatine and phosphatidylcholine). Although I'm 26 and in good shape, my homocysteine was once very high, which was what motivated me to start supplementing.

I have a suspicion that I might be overdoing the supplements. I've been experiencing some symptoms that I think might be related to overmethylation, but I'm unsure.

Most notably, I seem to have an elevated heart rate, insomnia, and some chest discomfort while running (three to five miles, three or four days a week). The chest discomfort happens from time to time when I inhale deeply. I had an ECG and an ultrasound done this morning, because I was worried, but everything seemed fine.

Is there any chance that this might be related to methylation, or do these symptoms sound like something else?
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Re: Overmethylation and Heart Health

Postby SusanJ » Fri Nov 06, 2020 7:47 pm

Rainbow wrote:Most notably, I seem to have an elevated heart rate, insomnia, and some chest discomfort while running (three to five miles, three or four days a week).


I don't know the amounts of each you are taking, but excess folate can certainly lead to insomnia, and most likely your elevated heart rate. I'd back that off first and see where you land on your symptoms.

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Re: Overmethylation and Heart Health

Postby Rainbow » Fri Nov 06, 2020 8:51 pm

SusanJ wrote:I don't know the amounts of each you are taking, but excess folate can certainly lead to insomnia, and most likely your elevated heart rate. I'd back that off first and see where you land on your symptoms.

Thanks for the quick response. The methyl folate is 800 mcg, the B12 is 1000 mcg, the P5P is 20 mg and the creatine is 5 g. The phosphatidylcholine is specified as 650 mg "phospholipid complex". All daily.

I'll cut back on the methyl folate. I've been eating a fair amount of raw leafy greens recently.
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Re: Overmethylation and Heart Health

Postby SusanJ » Sat Nov 07, 2020 4:42 am

Rainbow wrote:The methyl folate is 800 mcg, the B12 is 1000 mcg, the P5P is 20 mg and the creatine is 5 g. The phosphatidylcholine is specified as 650 mg "phospholipid complex". All daily.


My own experience has been that I needed to adjust folate down as I added other methylation support. With that much creatine and PC, you might be ending up with excess SAMe from folate, because creatine and PC are reducing the need for the folate/SAMe in supplying the major methyltransferases PEMT and GAMT. SAMe then ends up being available to push other pathways.

I wish there was a simple formula with methylation problems, but there isn't. Just keep playing around with the amounts. Personally, I'd reduce the creatine next after a couple weeks of reduced folate if your symptoms don't resolve satisfactorily.

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Re: Overmethylation and Heart Health

Postby Rainbow » Sun Nov 08, 2020 8:17 am

SusanJ wrote:My own experience has been that I needed to adjust folate down as I added other methylation support. With that much creatine and PC, you might be ending up with excess SAMe from folate, because creatine and PC are reducing the need for the folate/SAMe in supplying the major methyltransferases PEMT and GAMT. SAMe then ends up being available to push other pathways.

I wish there was a simple formula with methylation problems, but there isn't. Just keep playing around with the amounts. Personally, I'd reduce the creatine next after a couple weeks of reduced folate if your symptoms don't resolve satisfactorily.

Thank you so much for the encouragement! I'll see how I feel in a few weeks and reduce the creatine if needed.
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Re: Overmethylation and Heart Health

Postby WillC » Mon Nov 16, 2020 10:13 am

Can you explain creatine, I had no idea it was used for anything but weight lifting?

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Re: Overmethylation and Heart Health

Postby SusanJ » Mon Nov 16, 2020 2:56 pm

"Most of your methylation is used to synthesize two molecules: creatine and phosphatidylcholine.

Creatine is best known for boosting muscular strength. Bodybuilders take it as a supplement to build muscle and many kinds of athletes take it to boost their power and performance. Less well known, creatine helps you make the stomach acid you need to digest your food, provides the energy you need to absorb the nutrients in your food, powers sperm as they swim up the vaginal canal, fuels the regeneration of healthy skin, and helps you see and hear."

- Chris Masterjohn
https://chrismasterjohnphd.com/blog/201 ... thylation/

So creatine is something your body normally produces and uses.

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Re: Overmethylation and Heart Health

Postby floramaria » Wed Nov 18, 2020 9:54 pm

WillC wrote:Can you explain creatine, I had no idea it was used for anything but weight lifting?

Hi WillC, In case you didn't see SusanJ's reply to your question, I have quoted you in this post so you'll be notified of the response.
Her response is just above this one from me.
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