40 hz gamma light and sound therapy

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Family Tree Guy, thank you for replying.
Your reply motivated me to search online for 40 Hz vibration exercise devices. Yes, apparently such devices do exist.
The VT003F High Frequency Linear Vibration Plate 15-40 Hz retails for ~$200.
This one seems to be in a reasonable price range, though perhaps what might be an even better product would be something like a
40 Hz vibrating glove. It might simply be more important to interact with the CNS at 40 Hz than to turn the entire human body into a 40 Hz tuning fork.

Published human clinical evidence suggests benefit in Parkinson's
https://www.mdpi.com/2227-9032/8/2/113

I have not been able to find similar use of 40 Hz physioacoustic (i.e., vibration) therapy for AD.
One could imagine an entire range of gamma frequency treatments from light, sound, vibration, ultrasound, electrical brain stimulation, etc. . that might all have somewhat varying effects on brain and amyloid. Problem might be to make sure that they were
all in sync.

I also looked up water alarms from a post from my aducan thread. This is a problem in dementia caregiving as the G tube has a habit of opening up unexpectedly which can lead to serious pressure sores developing. There are upwards of 1 million Americans who have severe impairment that might be impacted by these problems. I had not realized that there is such an extremely easy solution: a $10 water alarm? I would want to find a product, though that was more of a flashing light than a 120 db alarm. This is such an important part of dementia caregiving that apparently has been overlooked that it might warrant contacting personal injury lawyers.
Advocates for those with dementia (e.g., Alzheimer Association) might also want to take this one up. It is one of those simple things that makes all the difference. From what I understand this idea is typically not now part of the standard of care in AD dementia.
It should be: ethically, legally and criminally.

Bed sores represent a large segment of medical liability; people with dementing illness are placed in considerable danger when the water risk of G feed tubes is not addressed. Even when you show reasonable care it is not realistic for a typical caregiver to prevent
these spills. A $10 alarm would be such a blessing for dementia patients with severe illness. Honestly, such a product would have
a "real" value for me into the tens of thousands of dollars to avoid the consequences of an opened up G-tube.

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J11- I believe the 40 Hz light / sound effect relates to the brainwave entrainment effect. Essentially, when an external frequency is applied, the brain gets 'in sync' with the frequency. And 40 Hz activates the microglial system of the brain in such a way that is apparently beneficial-- presumably helping the brain more effectively 'take out the trash'. applying the 40 Hz through something not next to the brain (vibrating glove, vibrating plate, etc) is totally different and I have no idea if it might also help, or not.

The whole brainwave entrainment effect has been studied for ~ 50+ years for meditation and so forth, primarily using sounds taking advantage of the binaural trick-- different frequency applied to each ear, and the brain syncs to the difference in frequency.
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Thank you for your reply Family Tree Guy.

I have to admit that I have many self-improvement technologies that I have not used that much through the years. They all take time and time is always in short supply. However, with the gamma light I have found the time. Basically, I have installed the light right over the dinner table. It forces itself on us. I have been able to put in about an hour per day with it. It is so much easier to be compliant with treatment when it is already a part of your routine anyways. So, I might turn it on for half an hour at a meal and then I encourage myself to mediate for about half an hour after the meal. It does appear to be having an early effect; I notice that my dreams have become more vivid since starting with the light.

What I also find interesting is that it appears that almost any form of gamma entrainment might help. Light, sound, vibration, etc..
Anything that can move the brain into gamma frequency. From what I understand these different modalities affect different brain regions. Perhaps working the prefrontal motor cortex could help with ambulation issues.
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That's funny I turned on the fan beside my computer (somewhat warm today) and noticed that the fan cast a strobbing shadow. This has me wondering: might it be even easier to create gamma entrainment by simply looking at the strobbing shadow of a fan? The typical desktop fan spins at 1200 rpm. This is 20 spins per second. Yet, my fan has 2 blades; shouldn't this mean that 40 times per second a blade is casting a new shadow (i.e., gamma frequency)? Might then not a typical fan's shadow actually create gamma entrainment? I believe that I recall that certain movies might have even used this as a dramatic technique possibly to entrain the audience to a specific frequency.
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J11 wrote:Thank you for your reply Family Tree Guy.

... I notice that my dreams have become more vivid since starting with the light...
Excellent! I interpret the more vivid dreams as being associated with a good night's sleep! I do sympathize that there are only so many things we can incorporate into our routines. Exercise, eating right, sleep, I also make time for mediation everyday and have been mostly successful at getting an hour of 40Hz sounds in.
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Yes, it is disappointing to know that my full potentiality as a human being will never be reached. There is so much more of me that could be if only ... The great part with the light is that I have incorporated it directly into my usual routine. I find food highly reinforcing and tend to eat about 3 meals a day. With the gamma light directly over my kitchen table it is extremely easy to maintain a daily habit of at least half an hour a day of gamma entrainment. It might be fun to try gamma entrainment in a dark room; with the kitchen light the gamma frequency can be obscured by the natural daylight.
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J11 wrote:Yes, it is disappointing to know that my full potentiality as a human being will never be reached. There is so much more of me that could be if only ...
Hah! The more I meditate, these kind of thoughts no longer seem to enter my mind.
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Family Tree Guy, there are a range of mind techniques that I have experimented with and have found helpful. It is a great missed opportunity not to introduce such techniques into the high school curriculum. Being able to have some control over one's mind state is a critically important life skill (all the more so in the 21st century). What is all the more encouraging is that technology has been developed that makes many of the responses almost automatic. For example, the entrainment is a natural feature of the human brain. Turn on the gamma light and your brain entrains to gamma. It is an extremely powerful technology; one that could likely help many people if they were more aware of its existence. A remote control for the mind. Do they have alpha lights?
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A pity this particular conversation died or went into hibernation. I spend an inordinate amount of time reading NIH records of almost anything to do with dementia.

My wife has Alzheimer's. At least, that's what I have been able to determine. I get no
help from neurologists when I try to tell them anything about Dr. Bredesen, Also,
I live in Panama,

I do get help from an internal medicine specialist who thinks outside the box. But, his
knowledge of the brain ls limited to what he learned in med school. I'm fortunate
that I have a much better knowledge medicine than the average man on the street. Still, that does not make me a doctor or even any kind of nurse.

What makes me say Alzheimer's is she has all the symptoms and she got the
23andme report; one E4 Allele from her dad who died from Alzheimer's.

Two particulars item in Bredesen's book really stand out - social activity and learning
something new. Her cognition improves slightly. She's learning Spanish. but that's
only two classes a week and at the present time, not even now, as the teacher is in Saudi Arabia. My wife is still sliding downhill. All the above is but interruptions to the slide. This is all leading up to brain entrainment. It seems it might stop the slide.

The NIH library has erupted with light and audio technique studies. All that I have read has been quite positive. One thing though, don't try to use both simultaneously
unless you have a way to synchronize them. Trying to eyeball them doesn't work.

Sorry this is a bit of a ramble and stream of thought. I'm 84 and I'm tired in spite of the fact I don't look or act like it. Does anyone have anything they'd like to contribute to this discussion? Oh, in addition to the NIH, I spend a lot of time here.

Good health to all.....
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AerwykF wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 2:18 pm A pity this particular conversation died or went into hibernation. I spend an inordinate amount of time reading NIH records of almost anything to do with dementia.

My wife has Alzheimer's. At least, that's what I have been able to determine. I get no
help from neurologists when I try to tell them anything about Dr. Bredesen, Also,
I live in Panama,

I do get help from an internal medicine specialist who thinks outside the box. But, his
knowledge of the brain ls limited to what he learned in med school. I'm fortunate
that I have a much better knowledge medicine than the average man on the street. Still, that does not make me a doctor or even any kind of nurse.

Sorry this is a bit of a ramble and stream of thought. I'm 84 and I'm tired in spite of the fact I don't look or act like it. Does anyone have anything they'd like to contribute to this discussion? Oh, in addition to the NIH, I spend a lot of time here.

Good health to all.....
Welcome AerwykF,
As a 'welcome intern' I would like to congratulate you on your first post, even though you been a member here for a while. Thank-you so very much for sharing your story. I am inspired by your determination to support your wife, your positive energy and enthusiasm.
It is always useful to re-ignite' posts.

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